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  1. I am always somewhat reluctant to adopt labels such psychopaths, people with “conduct disorder”, or “personality disorder” as these have meanings can be applied to a great variety of abnormal personalities.
    The habit of labelling or diagnosing personalities comes from the tendency to imitate the medical profession where a disease can be labelled and then this label leads you to a treatment.

    This certainly does not always apply to labelling personalities. Let us face it, the psychiatric and psychological profession have been rather unsuccessful in providing successful treatments for personality]y disorders under whatever name.

    None of the labels seems to give a clue as to what causes a person to become addicted to drugs, and as a result behave in unacceptable ways following that addiction.

    Since most criminal behaviour involves drug addiction it may be worthwhile to examine why some people become addicted to drugs and while others don’t.

    I believe that one reason is the reluctance by many professionals to look outside their square by refusing to look at alternative interpretations and possibilities.

    See for instance:
    Why Addiction to Marijuana

    • Oh, I agree with you, about the “labels” in fact I read an article just yesterday in a medical professional magazine about such “labels.”

      With the cry in America for “gun control” and for back ground checks and to keep people who are “mentally ill” from being able to own or purchase a gun, those “labels” are very important.

      While medical science and the genome project have shown much about the heritability for the tendency for depression, bi-polar, etc. as well as a multitude of other mental illnesses, again, I repeat, genes are NOT destiny. Many other things in the environment influence a person’s thinking and acting.

      “Addictions” in many cases (including to alcohol) are shown to be attempts at “self medication” for depression, bi-polar, PTSD etc. and if the mental illness is appropriately treated, the “substance addiction” is not as difficult to treat.

      While I agree with you, Jurplesman that many “criminals” or the chronically mentally ill who because they lack proper medical care since the 1980s when the US “de-institunalized” these individuals and took them out of institutions and essentially cast them upon the street where they were unable to function, and the appropriate outpatient care that was supposed to materialize never did. These people make up, unfortunately many of the addicted, down trodden, homeless and unable to cope people who wind up in jails and prison on a revolving door process that takes up time that would better be spent with social workers and medical personnel treating these people and police going after the chronically violent sociopaths who are dangerous to society.

      Unfortunately you are righty Jurplesman, there is no successful treatment for the morally deficient person who is not “mentally ill” just without conscience or empathy. No drug, and no therapy helps, in fact, research has shown that psych therapy actually makes sociopaths worse, it gives them the “words” to pretend to “improve” but they use it to mask their real intentions for malice. Thanks for commenting.

  2. And yet, many of these unfortunate people can be helped if we were just able to broaden our mind and look at a new field of science ( for those who have never studied nutritional biochemistry) of nutritional psychotherapy.

    Even many nutritional scientists tend to overlook the overwhelming influence of pre-diabetc insulin resistance called hypoglycemia (http://www.hypoglycemia.asn.au/2011/what-is-hypoglycemia/,) on mood disorders.
    Hypoglycemia and Depression by Stephen Gyland

    showing that nearly 90% of hypoglycemic people suffer from depression, a figure that agrees with our own studies whilst testing offenders in the prison system.

    The incidence of hypoglycemia in the community is pretty prevalent and not generally acknowledged See: http://www.hypoglycemia.asn.au/2011/research-evidence-for-hypoglycemia/#Pre

    If you look at the Western diet since the second world war, the food industry dictates what we should eat and not eat. The natural paleolithic diet has virtually disappeared. Despite the “advances” made in medical science, more and more people are sick and it is no wonder that diabetes and its allied diseases has become the most common disease in our society. The cruel irony is that this disease is preventable if only doctor would recognize pre-diabetes (hypoglycemia) as a separate disease from diabetes and therefore be able to test for it. But so far few doctors are familiar with the test for hypoglycemia as distinct from diabetes.

  3. Jurplesman, Hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) frequently DOES come before full on diabetes, you are right about that. However, “diabetes” per se is now seen as a part of a triad of diseases consisting of “diabetes” (problems regulating sugar into and out of the blood steam and cells) vascular diseases (hardening of the arteries along with plaque build up) and high blood pressure now called “Metabolic syndrome”–because if you have one chances are you have all three but they are interconnected.

    Yes, there is some dietary problems there, and LACK OF EXERCISE as well as the genetic tendency for high cholesterol and high triglycerides manufactured by the body, plus, a diet high in refined sugars, transfatty acids, and cholesterol.

    Since the body and the mind/brain are NOT “two” different things, but INTERCONNECTED PARTS of a WHOLE, these things all work together to control emotional ups and downs and thinking, which are strongly influenced by geneticly targeted anatomy and chemistry.

    It has long been proven that “stress kills” both in animals and in humans, and physical and emotional stress decrease not only the quality of life but the quantity as well. Stress also has a negative effect on metabolic syndrome, and they have now recently proven how the “broken heart syndrome” works, and YES people DO die of a “broken heart.” The stress of the death of a loved one or some great disappointment can actually STOP the heart chemically.

    The medical and psychological field need to look at the human body and brain as a whole, and realize that what does damage to one damages the other. Stress reduction and nutrition and both important aspects of a healthy life.

  4. Joyce, I wanted to rekindle this discussion because it’s an important factor in determining toxicity to the “Self.” Whether the individual is our own offspring, or another family member (or, friend), understanding and accepting what ODD is, in essence, is priceless in self-protection.

    For me, Mike was clearly dangerous. He refused to adhere to rules, EVEN when it was to his own benefit to do so. Yes, I had a difficult time sitting still and keeping my mouth shut, and I often was impulsive and did very stupid things. But, I had a conscience and felt sorry for the things that I did and, after having done enough of them, made an effort to avoid the impulsivity because it always ended badly.

    A formal diagnosis of ODD or CD should be taken seriously inasmuch as nothing is going to alter this individual’s brain functions. They MAY outgrow rebellion and teenaged angst, and that cannot ever be predicted. But, chances are that ODD or CD will evolve into either criminal choices or behaviors that are more subtle and manipulative.

    In retrospect, the exspath used to recollect stories of how he avoided gym classes and academics by faking illnesses. I remember his family members also talking about the epic tantrums that he threw prior to adolescence. Screaming fits and tantrums were commonplace, and nothing could be done to prevent them. As an adult, the exspath was a SUPREMELY passive/aggressive manipulator that would cause others to believe that THEY actually came up with hairbrained ideas and that bad outcomes were THEIR faults – all the while, he would use words and insinuations to his successful advantages.

    While I agree with some aspects of nutrition and so forth, I also know that ODD and CD behaviors result in frustration, defeat, and a sense of helplessness for parents. I have heard SO many parents recall that physicians, psychologists, and psychiatrists treated their dire concerns about their children’s behaviors as overblown and obsessive by the parents! “Why would you WANT me to diagnose your child with ___________?” was what one professional said to a very concerned parent.

    UGH………..there’s no easy solution to this.

  5. Truthy, my son Andrew is VERY ADHD and was diagnosed and Rx’d Ritalin way back in the day when this was the new “wonder drug” in the 70s….but it made him like a zombie, so I took him off and sought alternative ways…I stumbled upon the Feingold Diet for ADHD and thought “it can’t hurt” and maybe could help, so though it was a 24/7 project I did it 100% and guess what IT HELPED HIM A LOT…but it had to be adhered to 100% to be effective at all, and he felt better so he did it and I did it and it worked.

    Years later, doctors said “this is voo doo” and not at all useful, and so for years the diet method languished in the “voo doo” closet, but recently they have done some very good double blind studies and GUESS WHAT? For a SUBSET of kids with ADHD it DOES WORK, and so I was not crazy, the diet works for SOME kids, but not all, who are ADHD.

    Yet, in addiction to medication or diet, etc. there needs to be good parenting going along with the treatment (whatever that is) to help a child, and unfortunately, there are some kids that the BEST in medication, diet and parenting is NOT GOING TO HELP. They will grow up to be Adam Lanza or my son Patrick or probably your son Mike.

    And, you are right, many mental health professionals are loath to diagnose someone with a condition for which there is not much if any “hope.”

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